capitol hill to make it clear that the american people haven't forgotten, the american people are still mourning, still angry about what happened to the slaughter of 20 innocent children and 6 adults, that they want something to change this time. last night, karen, i was watching bowling for columbine and a chill went through me because they're talking about an incident from 1999. the movie is from the early 2000s and yet some of the same arguments, some of the same explanations for what happened or why things happened the way they happened, you know, the anger of parents and how they wanted something to change, and here we are in 2012 and nothing has changed. >> i'm going to interrupt you. we're seeing live pictures here on the screen. we have nancy pelosi, looks like her chief of staff with her. seems that may be a sign that the meeting has broken up. we also heard some reports that perhaps speaker boehner may have left the meeting. i want to do a quick question to both of you as we're sort of watching these folks depart. on the fiscal cliff, i'm going to just make it real simple and start wit